 clipped from www.livescience.com
Simple study
When the director asked 20 American participants (none of Asian descent) to move a block, most were confused as to which block to move and did not take into account the director's perspective |
by Wildcat 07-18-2007 11.38 660 views
RecordSage 07-18-2007 9.34pm
That explains everything... (amazing, how time gets wasted on some things)
BlarneyChef 07-19-2007 7.40am
What is this all about? I just don't get it. WAY over my head. Oh well guess I'll grab a Big Mac, Fries and a coke/
Amergin 07-19-2007 5.01pm
Who needs a study to point this out. Most Americans [not all] I have met do not want to understand other people unless it involves their point of view. Hollywood has a lot to answer for, most Americans receive their cultural education from television. P.S. the planet most Americans live on is the U.S. all the other countries on the maps are for decoration.
RecordSage 07-20-2007 6.01pm
@Amergin, and what exactly, in your opinion, they should be understanding? One could just as easily make the same argument by flipping the tables - do you think other countries 'understand' Americans? Where's the evidence of such?
Amergin 07-20-2007 9.32pm
Religious tolerance, respect for other peoples views, cultural tolerance. Most Americans having no culture of their own, except t.v. lack any world view. What they need to understand is that America is not the centre of the world.
The reality is that most people around the world admire America for it's get up and go, however you are like spoilt children who throw a temper tantrum when things don't go your way.You can't even handle criticism. It's your way or no way. You don't know how good you have it and that is because you are so wrapped up in yourselves that you always fail to see the bigger picture. Narcissism is a terrible affliction.
RecordSage 07-21-2007 8.45am
So, if all of that was true, why is it that all these people from all these countries that we don't understand want to come here? Because of our 'get up and go'? Give me a break! We have no culture and somehow all kinds of people follow fashion, music, sports - you name it, as it is here. How's that?
What do you consider "things don't go our way"? 9/11? And what's the 'tantrum'? Driving taliban into mountains or saddam into a hole in the ground?
And who the hell are you to criticize us?
America is one of the youngest nations on the planet, yet it's been able to accomplish in it's puny 200 years much more than your country would ever hope to achieve, in just about any area. America helped liberate Europe in WW2 and certainly rebuilt it. America rebuilt Japan and made it a world economic powerhouse. Has your country done anything of the kind?
I'll bet millions of people don't jump borders to get into your country as they do to ours. Can you name me any other country in the world that has the same phenomenon? And that's considering all of the problems America has.
When something tragic happens in the world, like the earthquakes in Indonesia as an example - who gave the most money and assistance to them? Was it your country? I'm sure it wasn't. How much has your country given to fight AIDS in Africa? Who in your citizenry gave $1billion (that's with a B) to vaccinate children worldwide?
Is your country member of the UN? I'll bet it is... but is it paying 22% of the cost of UN as US does?
Everyone seems to feed off America, despite the fact that most of them don't appreciate it, as can be so eloquently seen in your words.
As for us not knowing how good we have it - you're somewhat correct, some here don't know, although I certainly do, because I have something else to compare it to. But just because others don't - that doesn't make them have any less credit for building this great country. It's YOU who don't get it!
Amergin 07-21-2007 5.55pm
Very Touchy. The Republic of Ireland is a much Younger country , but a lot more mature. As for refugees coming to our country we have the highest percentage per head of population in the world. The Irish as a nation has always been the first to most disaster spots and always leading the way in helping those afflicted by famine and disease. As for fashion and music you must be joking. American football is non existent outside the USA, baseball is called rounders in Europe, by the way a very popular children's game.
In regards to fashion baseball hats and short pants are all the rage with toddlers.
As to music all I have to say is U2.
Worlds most popular band.
As for membership of the UN , you are correct. However the USA is in arrears at the moment so we might have to kick you out.
As for feeding off your country it was the Irish and Chinese who built it for you.
In regards to Aids and vaccinations in Africa it was American multinationals who hindered the distribution of generic drugs to help the African nations , because it would upset their profits.
And yes my small nation of less than 5 million have given more than a billion in aid, but that was in Euro's,
a stronger currency than the dollar I believe.
A billion from a nation of 300 million, the richest in the world, HOW GENEROUS.
As for what my nation achieved, well the men of Ireland liberated South America. Fought in every major war in the last thousand years. An Irishman defeated Napoleon in the war for Europe. Educated most of the African nations, when no-one else cared.
An Irishman inspired Mahatma Gandhi to follow the path to free his nation. We also brought about the downfall of the British Empire after the men of Ireland built it for them [ 60% of the army was Irish ]. We gathered the knowledge of Europe after the fall of Rome and then went forth hundreds of years later to educate the nations of the known world and brought them back from the brink of darkness.
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Amergin 07-21-2007 5.59pm
So to answer the question of why people all over the world want to go to the USA.
Is it because you are so naive and easy to make a buck off of ?
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Amergin 07-21-2007 6.45pm
As for Saddam in a hole, you put him in power in the first place. The Taliban are still not defeated, surprise surprise. The American way is to bomb the hell out of them. But when it comes to fighting man to man you haven't got it and they know it. That is why you will withdraw or be stuck there for another 20 years.
As for liberating Europe, in the Great war the Germans had maybe a year left in them, as their families were starving at home. You fought in very little actions and brought the Spanish Flu with you killing over twenty million people.
In WW2 the Russians did all the real fighting. Only third rate troops faced you with old equipment and Eisenhower nearly got his ass handed to him, only for Montgomery [ an Irishman ] foreseeing the danger and preparing his armies against the onslaught in the Battle of the Bulge.
All the elite German forces were on the Russian front trying to hold back the inevitable tide of Russian might.
As for rebuilding Europe you did nothing for free and Europe paid a heavy price in having American military bases and Interest placed on all their loans. It suited the USA to have a weakened Europe.
As for rebuilding Japan, why not? You nuked it twice.
RecordSage 07-22-2007 8.50pm
You're right, I didn't think about the number of Irish pubs we have in the US, that explains your state and the stuff you threw in there... There are so many inaccuracies... anyway, cheers - keep it up.
Once you get a little more sober - read some history, the real kind, not the fictionalized version.
As Bill O'Reilly, an American Irishman of course, likes to say 'lay off the Cool-Aid'...
RecordSage 07-22-2007 8.53am
Oh, yeah... and kudos on Riverdance - an excellent production. That I would actually pay to see... U2 - not in my lifetime, even though that's the only band that amounted to something from Ireland.
Amergin 07-22-2007 11.31am
When you actually have something meaningful to reply give me a shout. If all you can do is throw up the old chestnuts about pubs and Riverdance, well give me a break.
Very mature. Well if you don't want to discuss it, that is your loss. In regard to Bill O' Reilly he is nothing but hot air, more American than Irish.
As for the inaccurate history maybe you should check it out. If you want to walk around with blinkers that is fine by me.
Have a nice blinkered life and give yourself a pat on the back for being so witty.
RecordSage 07-22-2007 6.33pm
Look, I recan rebuke just about any point you made, because your points are either flat out unthuths or semi-fabrications, having nothing to do with reality. You don't even take enough time to read what was stated well enough... US didn't contribute $1Billion, Bill Gates - the sole American did (non-Irish as far as I know, but I'm sure he had some Irish relatives somewhere going back).
O'Reilly is indeed American, as he should be. He doesn't shun from his Irish background, which is great, but he is American, because that's his country.
Your comments about Americans show very clearly to people who actually know America and Americans just how screwed up your opinion is. I don't blame you for being pro-Ireland, nothing wrong with being patriotic about your country, but dumping on others when you clearly have no clue is a perfect example of the fact that it's not Americans who are ignorant and don't get it - it's the opposite - it's people like you who don't.
The only reason I didn't go point by point to show your fantasy-land, left-wing, 'responses' is because... well, to be totally honest - the kids want to eat breakfast and since you're not cooking it for them, I better...
Amergin 07-22-2007 10.53pm
What a lame reply. What kind of man uses his innocent children to hide from a debate.
Obviously a man not comfortable enough with his knowledge of world history {not your history}.
So as I said above;
Have a nice blinkered life.
P.S. I hope your kids enjoyed their waffles, as much as I enjoyed your waffling.
RecordSage 7-23-2007 8.10am
Nobody's hiding behind anyone, the man is certainly comfortable enough, so don't BS about the man or his kids when you have no clue.
Speaking of your lacks, here's a blow-by-blow, since you asked (and the kids are asleep):
1) "Republic of Ireland more mature" - what exactly are you basing that on? Do you not count the Ireland before 1937 when it wasn't called a 'republic'? Is that because you're ashamed of your king or there's another reason. Perhaps your dabbling with IRA is what you consider to be 'mature'... Show me some accomplishments, back them up by facts, by the Republic of Ireland since its inception 70 years ago? Let's see where and how it outshines the USA.
2) Refugees... First of all, I talked about immigration, not refugees, but let's look at refugees. The top country in the world there is Canada, not Ireland. If we do get back to immigration as I was pointing out - USA certainly is #1 world wide. You want some backup here - feed the old eyes.
3) In terms of driving pop culture worldwide and exporting it - US has always been in front. Ask your favorite band members who their inspiration was - I'll bet you they grew up listening to band from US, possibly England, which is the only other country that has enough good band (or had anyway) to compete with the US. Even the world's most popular bands, like the Beatles, Stones etc. all listened to US music like gospel. Granted, the Beatles was a British band, but it's silly to even try to contemplate any band in the world, much less in Ireland, being of the same stature. When Starbucks released their first CD, it was McCartney and it played worldwide for a few days exclusively in every store. And if you're wondering if that was due to his touring Ireland occasionally - think again. It's because he's a former Beatle and even today that has a huge clout and all of their music came from listening to American roc
RecordSage 7-23-2--7 8.50am
...came from listening to American rock'n'roll, blues, jazz... all genres that came from America.
(sorry, small Clipmarks bug, it let me add the comment, telling me I was long by a few characters somehow)... moving on...
4) US contributions to various disasters in last year alone were at about $3billion. How much did Ireland contribute last year?
5) US Sports - I wasn't talking about American Football, actually it's one of the sports I'm not into myself. Funny how you mention that and baseball, why didn't you mention basketball? How about tennis, volleyball and bunch of other sports. Just look at the Olympics and how the medals get split. I remember a ton of US gold, Russia, China... can't recall Ireland though...let's check... and since we're on the subject, we'll just use the Athens 2004 games... let's see USA was #1, followed by China, Russia, Australia & Japan. Where was Ireland... with it's 1 Gold medal (no silver or bronze)? Well, I'll let you count it, it's too far down the list for me... here's the link.
RecordSage 7-23-2007 9.05 am
...outstanding about the Irish in USA... except perhaps New York, which was so well shown in the movie Gangs of New York... perhaps that's what you're referring to...
9) Ghandi, inspired by an Irishman - that's another of your classics. At least you're not claiming he was Irish. I'll bet there's every normal living person on this planet who was inspired by an Irishman... and an Englishman and a Russian etc. etc. etc. - what a silly comment to make, you're really pulling straws here.
10) You "brought nations back from the brink of darkness"? Which were those? You made some comment about South American countries... if you had your and there, certainly didn't accomplish much... oh yes, and you mentioned Africa. There's a civilized, peaceful & enlightened continent. Which nations exactly are you referring to and what exactly were your accomplishments there?
11) Back to WW2 - what the heck are you hallucinating about? "The Germans had a year left"? Are you totally nuts? The Germans were about 6 months away from getting their own nuke going and if they were able to get it done - that might have ended the war much differently. No question that if one looks at overall effort - the Russians won the war. Many in the US are of the opinion that they won the war, which is totally inaccurate. However, don't diminish the US efforts in the war. Who conquered the Germans in Africa? The Irish? Or perhaps someone inspired by an Irishman? It was the US and they defeated one of the best generals, if not THE best, in hitler's army. When US landed in Normandy - they lost over 40,000 boys in ONE DAY! You call fighting in 'little actions'. What a moronic statement to make. Like I said - read your history. Do you what 'irish' vehicles the Russians used? They were called 'jeeps' and they sure the hell didn't come from Ireland, which decided to sit this one out without taking sides in the conflict.
RecordSage 7-23-2007 9.22am
Considering your statement about fighting in practically all wars of the past 1000 years, you sure picked a good one to 'not take sides'. The WW2 was ended much earlier with much fewer lives lost, mostly due to the opening of the 2nd Front, which was in a large part manned by the USA. USA made enormous contributions to the Russians in terms of economic and physical help, even before the troops landed and it was the US who rebuilt Europe after the fact, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Same with Japan.
12) You say 'taliban is not defeated'. How do you figure that? Because some of them are sucking moss in the mountains? They sure the hell aren't running things in Afghanistan. Same with saddam in Iraq. As for 'US bombing the hell out of' comment - I wish we did... that would've ended the war in Iraq a long time ago. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Bush is trying to reason with murderous savages and he is unable to do so... I wish we did bomb as you say, but we don't and that's another point where you're totally false.
13) Yes, and Bill O'Reilly is an American, of an Irish descent and you should be proud to have him be the number one cable TV talk show host on any network.
You can diminish what USA accomplished, brought to the world in the past and continues to bring to the world all day long... that doesn't change history. You're sitting typing your BS on a computer that was invented in the USA, using the OS that was invented here as well... connecting to a network that was invented in the USA (although I'm sure they were inspired and maybe had some Irish descendants in there somewhere) and using Clipmarks - another American invention. Can you give me one item in the chain there, that's used worldwide that's invented and came from Ireland? I have some British software that I'm fond of (Xara) and even use some Russian web applications which aren't bad... but I haven't seen anything from Ireland?
RecordSage 07-23-2007 9.34 am
There's another O'Reilly whom I respect immensely. Tim O'Reilly, the man publishes the best computer books on the planet, and does many other great things for computer industry. I'm sure he's got Irish ancestors, although he's certainly an American. Do you have someone of that caliber in the old country? I'll bet you don't, but I'll bet in just about every country this O'Reilly is known (at least in civilized one). That's what America does that no other country seems to. It's a melting pot of people from everywhere that built this incredible country with the kind of life that few countries can boast about (certainly not Ireland). It gives people opportunities that other countries simply don't... one example being a guy that came from the same hellhole, as I like to affectionately call my 'motherland' and build a company like Google... and that's because he's an American, living in America... regardless of his inspirations or place of birth.
That's the part that people who haven't been here don't seem to get... At least some people, such as yourself (I'm assuming you haven't been here based on your comments... because if you had and interacted with Americans and seen the lifestyle/culture etc. - you'd never make the comments you did... unless of course you were, as you say, blinkered or were simply pushing inane ideology, closing your eyes on facts and reality). There are plenty of others who do get it and that's why they flock here in huge numbers. There are Green Card lotteries being conducted yearly and tens of thousands win, although millions apply.
They apply because they know that they'll have a shot, a shot at a better life than their own country gives them and so they take it and take it and take it, and they're right. Not all succeed, it's nowhere near as easy as you claim in your statements, in fact it's not easy at all... and the country has a ton of problems all over and still, when you weigh and compare it to others -
RecordSage 7-23-2007 9.34am
it's THE country on the planet.
Amergin 07-23-2007 9.47am
Let me work Backwards here.
Point 13 So what ?
Point 12 Check out the BBC coverage this week by John Simpson, you might get a real idea.
Point 11 If you actually read what I had written I referred to Great War , which is what we called WW1 in Europe.And yes they had less than a year left in them.
As for your erroneous comments about WW2 , the Germans were not 6 months away from a nuclear weapon as the Norwegians destroyed their heavy water plant and this scuppered all development of a nuclear programme. Yes the Russians did do the majority of the fighting.
As for fighting in Africa, the Irish leadership of General Wavell { an Irishman } defeated a numerically superior Italian force and drove them up the coast, until Il Duce asked Hitler for help. As a matter of fact 2 out of 3 of the Professional army officer group was Irish. As for American involvement in Africa all I have to say is Kasserine Pass. I believe the British had to bail them out.
The Victory at El Alamein was entirely to Montgomery { an Irishman } and that was attributed to by Rommel.
As for jeeps they did not do very well in Russia and I believe it was the T34 that did the real work.
Point 10 As for bringing nations back from the darkness of Ignorance. Two of Europe's greatest schools were based here in Ireland and right through the dark Ages the Best and brightest of all of Europe's leaders came here to be educated. One example was England's Alfred the Great.
As for Africa, we were one small group against a merciless hoard of Imperial Land grabbers, and if it was not for the missionaries there it could have been far worse.
Point 9 Gandhi was inspired by the hunger strike of a great Irishman Thomas McCurtain. Who resisted Imperial might with the means he had left.The hunger strike became a key component of Gandhi's strategy in keeping the peace between Muslim and Hindu.
Point 8 I did mention another ethnic group, the Chinese.
Amergin 7-23-2007 9.50am
Point 7 Wellington was born in Dublin Ireland and if it wasn't for his leadership, we all would have been speaking French. Also a lot of the men who took the brunt of the fighting were of Irish stock, the Inniskillings cavalry and thousands of other Irishmen. As a matter of fact Irish was the spoken language in the British army at that time.
As for WW2 we repatriated all Allied soldiers and interned the Germans. We reported submarine sightings and supplied weather data.
Amergin 7-23-2007 9.51am
Not to mention all the Irish who worked in Britain and fought in the Armed forces.
Amergin 7-23-2007 9.55am
Point 6 Bill Gates built his software platform on an Apple system whilst working for them and then proceeded to undercut anyone who got in his way. Anyway it is trendy to donate at the moment among the wealthy, never mind the tax breaks and free publicity it incurs.
Amergin 7-23-2007 9.59am
Point 5 the massive drugs programme you are running to thank for that. And seeing as we won one at all was a great achievement for a small nation. For if you understood the pro-rata qualification system you would understand the realities.
Amergin 7-23-2007 10-03 am
Point 4 Is the sum of three billion 7% of the USA GDP.
Because that is what my nation gives. Not bad for a small nation. But we actually help on the ground as well. You just throw money at it.
What about Bob Geldof and Live Aid ?
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RecordSage 07-18-2007 9.34pm
That explains everything... (amazing, how time gets wasted on some things)
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BlarneyChef 07-19-2007 7.40am
What is this all about? I just don't get it. WAY over my head. Oh well guess I'll grab a Big Mac, Fries and a coke/
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Amergin 07-19-2007 5.01pm
Who needs a study to point this out. Most Americans [not all] I have met do not want to understand other people unless it involves their point of view. Hollywood has a lot to answer for, most Americans receive their cultural education from television. P.S. the planet most Americans live on is the U.S. all the other countries on the maps are for decoration.
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RecordSage 07-20-2007 6.01pm
@Amergin, and what exactly, in your opinion, they should be understanding? One could just as easily make the same argument by flipping the tables - do you think other countries 'understand' Americans? Where's the evidence of such?
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Amergin 07-20-2007 9.32pm
Religious tolerance, respect for other peoples views, cultural tolerance. Most Americans having no culture of their own, except t.v. lack any world view. What they need to understand is that America is not the centre of the world.
The reality is that most people around the world admire America for it's get up and go, however you are like spoilt children who throw a temper tantrum when things don't go your way.You can't even handle criticism. It's your way or no way. You don't know how good you have it and that is because you are so wrapped up in yourselves that you always fail to see the bigger picture. Narcissism is a terrible affliction.
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RecordSage 07-21-2007 8.45am
So, if all of that was true, why is it that all these people from all these countries that we don't understand want to come here? Because of our 'get up and go'? Give me a break! We have no culture and somehow all kinds of people follow fashion, music, sports - you name it, as it is here. How's that?
What do you consider "things don't go our way"? 9/11? And what's the 'tantrum'? Driving taliban into mountains or saddam into a hole in the ground?
And who the hell are you to criticize us?
America is one of the youngest nations on the planet, yet it's been able to accomplish in it's puny 200 years much more than your country would ever hope to achieve, in just about any area. America helped liberate Europe in WW2 and certainly rebuilt it. America rebuilt Japan and made it a world economic powerhouse. Has your country done anything of the kind?
I'll bet millions of people don't jump borders to get into your country as they do to ours. Can you name me any other country in the world that has the same phenomenon? And that's considering all of the problems America has.
When something tragic happens in the world, like the earthquakes in Indonesia as an example - who gave the most money and assistance to them? Was it your country? I'm sure it wasn't. How much has your country given to fight AIDS in Africa? Who in your citizenry gave $1billion (that's with a B) to vaccinate children worldwide?
Is your country member of the UN? I'll bet it is... but is it paying 22% of the cost of UN as US does?
Everyone seems to feed off America, despite the fact that most of them don't appreciate it, as can be so eloquently seen in your words.
As for us not knowing how good we have it - you're somewhat correct, some here don't know, although I certainly do, because I have something else to compare it to. But just because others don't - that doesn't make them have any less credit for building this great country. It's YOU who don't get it!
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Amergin 07-21-2007 5.55pm
Very Touchy. The Republic of Ireland is a much Younger country , but a lot more mature. As for refugees coming to our country we have the highest percentage per head of population in the world. The Irish as a nation has always been the first to most disaster spots and always leading the way in helping those afflicted by famine and disease. As for fashion and music you must be joking. American football is non existent outside the USA, baseball is called rounders in Europe, by the way a very popular children's game.
In regards to fashion baseball hats and short pants are all the rage with toddlers.
As to music all I have to say is U2.
Worlds most popular band.
As for membership of the UN , you are correct. However the USA is in arrears at the moment so we might have to kick you out.
As for feeding off your country it was the Irish and Chinese who built it for you.
In regards to Aids and vaccinations in Africa it was American multinationals who hindered the distribution of generic drugs to help the African nations , because it would upset their profits.
And yes my small nation of less than 5 million have given more than a billion in aid, but that was in Euro's,
a stronger currency than the dollar I believe.
A billion from a nation of 300 million, the richest in the world, HOW GENEROUS.
As for what my nation achieved, well the men of Ireland liberated South America. Fought in every major war in the last thousand years. An Irishman defeated Napoleon in the war for Europe. Educated most of the African nations, when no-one else cared.
An Irishman inspired Mahatma Gandhi to follow the path to free his nation. We also brought about the downfall of the British Empire after the men of Ireland built it for them [ 60% of the army was Irish ]. We gathered the knowledge of Europe after the fall of Rome and then went forth hundreds of years later to educate the nations of the known world and brought them back from the brink of darkness.
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Amergin 07-21-2007 5.59pm
So to answer the question of why people all over the world want to go to the USA.
Is it because you are so naive and easy to make a buck off of ?
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Amergin 07-21-2007 6.45pm
As for Saddam in a hole, you put him in power in the first place. The Taliban are still not defeated, surprise surprise. The American way is to bomb the hell out of them. But when it comes to fighting man to man you haven't got it and they know it. That is why you will withdraw or be stuck there for another 20 years.
As for liberating Europe, in the Great war the Germans had maybe a year left in them, as their families were starving at home. You fought in very little actions and brought the Spanish Flu with you killing over twenty million people.
In WW2 the Russians did all the real fighting. Only third rate troops faced you with old equipment and Eisenhower nearly got his ass handed to him, only for Montgomery [ an Irishman ] foreseeing the danger and preparing his armies against the onslaught in the Battle of the Bulge.
All the elite German forces were on the Russian front trying to hold back the inevitable tide of Russian might.
As for rebuilding Europe you did nothing for free and Europe paid a heavy price in having American military bases and Interest placed on all their loans. It suited the USA to have a weakened Europe.
As for rebuilding Japan, why not? You nuked it twice.
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RecordSage 07-22-2007 8.50pm
You're right, I didn't think about the number of Irish pubs we have in the US, that explains your state and the stuff you threw in there... There are so many inaccuracies... anyway, cheers - keep it up.
Once you get a little more sober - read some history, the real kind, not the fictionalized version.
As Bill O'Reilly, an American Irishman of course, likes to say 'lay off the Cool-Aid'...
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RecordSage 07-22-2007 8.53am
Oh, yeah... and kudos on Riverdance - an excellent production. That I would actually pay to see... U2 - not in my lifetime, even though that's the only band that amounted to something from Ireland.
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Amergin 07-22-2007 11.31am
When you actually have something meaningful to reply give me a shout. If all you can do is throw up the old chestnuts about pubs and Riverdance, well give me a break.
Very mature. Well if you don't want to discuss it, that is your loss. In regard to Bill O' Reilly he is nothing but hot air, more American than Irish.
As for the inaccurate history maybe you should check it out. If you want to walk around with blinkers that is fine by me.
Have a nice blinkered life and give yourself a pat on the back for being so witty.
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RecordSage 07-22-2007 6.33pm
Look, I recan rebuke just about any point you made, because your points are either flat out unthuths or semi-fabrications, having nothing to do with reality. You don't even take enough time to read what was stated well enough... US didn't contribute $1Billion, Bill Gates - the sole American did (non-Irish as far as I know, but I'm sure he had some Irish relatives somewhere going back).
O'Reilly is indeed American, as he should be. He doesn't shun from his Irish background, which is great, but he is American, because that's his country.
Your comments about Americans show very clearly to people who actually know America and Americans just how screwed up your opinion is. I don't blame you for being pro-Ireland, nothing wrong with being patriotic about your country, but dumping on others when you clearly have no clue is a perfect example of the fact that it's not Americans who are ignorant and don't get it - it's the opposite - it's people like you who don't.
The only reason I didn't go point by point to show your fantasy-land, left-wing, 'responses' is because... well, to be totally honest - the kids want to eat breakfast and since you're not cooking it for them, I better...
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Amergin 07-22-2007 10.53pm
What a lame reply. What kind of man uses his innocent children to hide from a debate.
Obviously a man not comfortable enough with his knowledge of world history {not your history}.
So as I said above;
Have a nice blinkered life.
P.S. I hope your kids enjoyed their waffles, as much as I enjoyed your waffling.
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RecordSage 7-23-2007 8.10am
Nobody's hiding behind anyone, the man is certainly comfortable enough, so don't BS about the man or his kids when you have no clue.
Speaking of your lacks, here's a blow-by-blow, since you asked (and the kids are asleep):
1) "Republic of Ireland more mature" - what exactly are you basing that on? Do you not count the Ireland before 1937 when it wasn't called a 'republic'? Is that because you're ashamed of your king or there's another reason. Perhaps your dabbling with IRA is what you consider to be 'mature'... Show me some accomplishments, back them up by facts, by the Republic of Ireland since its inception 70 years ago? Let's see where and how it outshines the USA.
2) Refugees... First of all, I talked about immigration, not refugees, but let's look at refugees. The top country in the world there is Canada, not Ireland. If we do get back to immigration as I was pointing out - USA certainly is #1 world wide. You want some backup here - feed the old eyes.
3) In terms of driving pop culture worldwide and exporting it - US has always been in front. Ask your favorite band members who their inspiration was - I'll bet you they grew up listening to band from US, possibly England, which is the only other country that has enough good band (or had anyway) to compete with the US. Even the world's most popular bands, like the Beatles, Stones etc. all listened to US music like gospel. Granted, the Beatles was a British band, but it's silly to even try to contemplate any band in the world, much less in Ireland, being of the same stature. When Starbucks released their first CD, it was McCartney and it played worldwide for a few days exclusively in every store. And if you're wondering if that was due to his touring Ireland occasionally - think again. It's because he's a former Beatle and even today that has a huge clout and all of their music came from listening to American roc
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RecordSage 7-23-2--7 8.50am
...came from listening to American rock'n'roll, blues, jazz... all genres that came from America.
(sorry, small Clipmarks bug, it let me add the comment, telling me I was long by a few characters somehow)... moving on...
4) US contributions to various disasters in last year alone were at about $3billion. How much did Ireland contribute last year?
5) US Sports - I wasn't talking about American Football, actually it's one of the sports I'm not into myself. Funny how you mention that and baseball, why didn't you mention basketball? How about tennis, volleyball and bunch of other sports. Just look at the Olympics and how the medals get split. I remember a ton of US gold, Russia, China... can't recall Ireland though...let's check... and since we're on the subject, we'll just use the Athens 2004 games... let's see USA was #1, followed by China, Russia, Australia & Japan. Where was Ireland... with it's 1 Gold medal (no silver or bronze)? Well, I'll let you count it, it's too far down the list for me... here's the link.
6) Not that I want to be redundant, but that $1billion donation was my example of 1 American, Mr. Gates, which of course has nothing to do with what the USA donates as a nation. That's not his only donation, btw to worldwide efforts. Do you have anyone coming even close to someone of Gates stature and philantropy?
7) In terms of wars you shouldn't even open your mouth considering Ireland's side in WW2. An Irishman defeated Napoleon? That's like saying that Mona Lisa was painted by a bastard. You make that kind of point and call it part of 'debate'?
It certainly wasn't Ireland who beat Napoleon into submission, that's for sure.
8) And for the record... Irish didn't build America. There were many ethnic groups, including the Irish, that certainly made a huge contribution, but you can easily place all kinds of other people in that group. Nothing outsta
____________________7) In terms of wars you shouldn't even open your mouth considering Ireland's side in WW2. An Irishman defeated Napoleon? That's like saying that Mona Lisa was painted by a bastard. You make that kind of point and call it part of 'debate'?
It certainly wasn't Ireland who beat Napoleon into submission, that's for sure.
8) And for the record... Irish didn't build America. There were many ethnic groups, including the Irish, that certainly made a huge contribution, but you can easily place all kinds of other people in that group. Nothing outsta
RecordSage 7-23-2007 9.05 am
...outstanding about the Irish in USA... except perhaps New York, which was so well shown in the movie Gangs of New York... perhaps that's what you're referring to...
9) Ghandi, inspired by an Irishman - that's another of your classics. At least you're not claiming he was Irish. I'll bet there's every normal living person on this planet who was inspired by an Irishman... and an Englishman and a Russian etc. etc. etc. - what a silly comment to make, you're really pulling straws here.
10) You "brought nations back from the brink of darkness"? Which were those? You made some comment about South American countries... if you had your and there, certainly didn't accomplish much... oh yes, and you mentioned Africa. There's a civilized, peaceful & enlightened continent. Which nations exactly are you referring to and what exactly were your accomplishments there?
11) Back to WW2 - what the heck are you hallucinating about? "The Germans had a year left"? Are you totally nuts? The Germans were about 6 months away from getting their own nuke going and if they were able to get it done - that might have ended the war much differently. No question that if one looks at overall effort - the Russians won the war. Many in the US are of the opinion that they won the war, which is totally inaccurate. However, don't diminish the US efforts in the war. Who conquered the Germans in Africa? The Irish? Or perhaps someone inspired by an Irishman? It was the US and they defeated one of the best generals, if not THE best, in hitler's army. When US landed in Normandy - they lost over 40,000 boys in ONE DAY! You call fighting in 'little actions'. What a moronic statement to make. Like I said - read your history. Do you what 'irish' vehicles the Russians used? They were called 'jeeps' and they sure the hell didn't come from Ireland, which decided to sit this one out without taking sides in the conflict.
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RecordSage 7-23-2007 9.22am
Considering your statement about fighting in practically all wars of the past 1000 years, you sure picked a good one to 'not take sides'. The WW2 was ended much earlier with much fewer lives lost, mostly due to the opening of the 2nd Front, which was in a large part manned by the USA. USA made enormous contributions to the Russians in terms of economic and physical help, even before the troops landed and it was the US who rebuilt Europe after the fact, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Same with Japan.
12) You say 'taliban is not defeated'. How do you figure that? Because some of them are sucking moss in the mountains? They sure the hell aren't running things in Afghanistan. Same with saddam in Iraq. As for 'US bombing the hell out of' comment - I wish we did... that would've ended the war in Iraq a long time ago. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Bush is trying to reason with murderous savages and he is unable to do so... I wish we did bomb as you say, but we don't and that's another point where you're totally false.
13) Yes, and Bill O'Reilly is an American, of an Irish descent and you should be proud to have him be the number one cable TV talk show host on any network.
You can diminish what USA accomplished, brought to the world in the past and continues to bring to the world all day long... that doesn't change history. You're sitting typing your BS on a computer that was invented in the USA, using the OS that was invented here as well... connecting to a network that was invented in the USA (although I'm sure they were inspired and maybe had some Irish descendants in there somewhere) and using Clipmarks - another American invention. Can you give me one item in the chain there, that's used worldwide that's invented and came from Ireland? I have some British software that I'm fond of (Xara) and even use some Russian web applications which aren't bad... but I haven't seen anything from Ireland?
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RecordSage 07-23-2007 9.34 am
There's another O'Reilly whom I respect immensely. Tim O'Reilly, the man publishes the best computer books on the planet, and does many other great things for computer industry. I'm sure he's got Irish ancestors, although he's certainly an American. Do you have someone of that caliber in the old country? I'll bet you don't, but I'll bet in just about every country this O'Reilly is known (at least in civilized one). That's what America does that no other country seems to. It's a melting pot of people from everywhere that built this incredible country with the kind of life that few countries can boast about (certainly not Ireland). It gives people opportunities that other countries simply don't... one example being a guy that came from the same hellhole, as I like to affectionately call my 'motherland' and build a company like Google... and that's because he's an American, living in America... regardless of his inspirations or place of birth.
That's the part that people who haven't been here don't seem to get... At least some people, such as yourself (I'm assuming you haven't been here based on your comments... because if you had and interacted with Americans and seen the lifestyle/culture etc. - you'd never make the comments you did... unless of course you were, as you say, blinkered or were simply pushing inane ideology, closing your eyes on facts and reality). There are plenty of others who do get it and that's why they flock here in huge numbers. There are Green Card lotteries being conducted yearly and tens of thousands win, although millions apply.
They apply because they know that they'll have a shot, a shot at a better life than their own country gives them and so they take it and take it and take it, and they're right. Not all succeed, it's nowhere near as easy as you claim in your statements, in fact it's not easy at all... and the country has a ton of problems all over and still, when you weigh and compare it to others -
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RecordSage 7-23-2007 9.34am
it's THE country on the planet.
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Amergin 07-23-2007 9.47am
Let me work Backwards here.
Point 13 So what ?
Point 12 Check out the BBC coverage this week by John Simpson, you might get a real idea.
Point 11 If you actually read what I had written I referred to Great War , which is what we called WW1 in Europe.And yes they had less than a year left in them.
As for your erroneous comments about WW2 , the Germans were not 6 months away from a nuclear weapon as the Norwegians destroyed their heavy water plant and this scuppered all development of a nuclear programme. Yes the Russians did do the majority of the fighting.
As for fighting in Africa, the Irish leadership of General Wavell { an Irishman } defeated a numerically superior Italian force and drove them up the coast, until Il Duce asked Hitler for help. As a matter of fact 2 out of 3 of the Professional army officer group was Irish. As for American involvement in Africa all I have to say is Kasserine Pass. I believe the British had to bail them out.
The Victory at El Alamein was entirely to Montgomery { an Irishman } and that was attributed to by Rommel.
As for jeeps they did not do very well in Russia and I believe it was the T34 that did the real work.
Point 10 As for bringing nations back from the darkness of Ignorance. Two of Europe's greatest schools were based here in Ireland and right through the dark Ages the Best and brightest of all of Europe's leaders came here to be educated. One example was England's Alfred the Great.
As for Africa, we were one small group against a merciless hoard of Imperial Land grabbers, and if it was not for the missionaries there it could have been far worse.
Point 9 Gandhi was inspired by the hunger strike of a great Irishman Thomas McCurtain. Who resisted Imperial might with the means he had left.The hunger strike became a key component of Gandhi's strategy in keeping the peace between Muslim and Hindu.
Point 8 I did mention another ethnic group, the Chinese.
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Amergin 7-23-2007 9.50am
Point 7 Wellington was born in Dublin Ireland and if it wasn't for his leadership, we all would have been speaking French. Also a lot of the men who took the brunt of the fighting were of Irish stock, the Inniskillings cavalry and thousands of other Irishmen. As a matter of fact Irish was the spoken language in the British army at that time.
As for WW2 we repatriated all Allied soldiers and interned the Germans. We reported submarine sightings and supplied weather data.
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Amergin 7-23-2007 9.51am
Not to mention all the Irish who worked in Britain and fought in the Armed forces.
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Amergin 7-23-2007 9.55am
Point 6 Bill Gates built his software platform on an Apple system whilst working for them and then proceeded to undercut anyone who got in his way. Anyway it is trendy to donate at the moment among the wealthy, never mind the tax breaks and free publicity it incurs.
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Amergin 7-23-2007 9.59am
Point 5 the massive drugs programme you are running to thank for that. And seeing as we won one at all was a great achievement for a small nation. For if you understood the pro-rata qualification system you would understand the realities.
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Amergin 7-23-2007 10-03 am
Point 4 Is the sum of three billion 7% of the USA GDP.
Because that is what my nation gives. Not bad for a small nation. But we actually help on the ground as well. You just throw money at it.
What about Bob Geldof and Live Aid ?
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Amergin 7-23-2007 10.11am
As for music the blues was formed by an amalgamation of Irish traditional and Gospel music.
Thin Lizzy was the Inspiration of nearly all the major rock and metal groups in the states including Metallica. Rory Gallagher a gifted guitarist inspired Guns n' Roses, check out the song shotgun Blues. He also outplayed Jimi Hendrix at a gig.
As for the Beatles well they are all from Liverpool, which means they definitely have Irish Blood in them. As the majority of Liverpudlians are of Irish descent, dating back to early 1700's.
Amergin 7-23-2007 10.16am
And then we have John Mc Cormack the greatest and most popular tenor of all time.
As for America being a melting pot of culture, well it has been done countless times before.
London has a base of over 300 languages spoken everyday on it's streets right now. Not even New York has that diversity.
10.24am
It's been a long long time since we had a king.
But as a small nation we certainly promote more peaceful endeavours, than any other country. We do what we can with what we have.
As for BS on an American computer, mine was made here in Ireland and the Computer was an English invention. As for software development we are way ahead, just because it is cheap and mass produced does not make it better.
10.29am
As for the two people who built Google, well their largest operation is here in Ireland
10.30am
As for the gangs of new York well we were the nice guys fighting against racist and fascist abuse.
10.32am
And Charles Babbage was an Irishman.
10.37am
And as for America being the forerunner of technology design,another misconception. The US space programme was developed by Nazi Scientists. All the Best Cars are made in Europe. The Television was invented by a Scot. The Satellite was conceived by an Englishman and built by the Russians. And the man who dragged the USA out of it's doldrums was Kennedy an Irish American.
10.43am
Did you ever learn Geography ?
it's THE country on the planet.
Well China is the rising star, along with India.
As for being progressive you are going backwards. The European Union will be the guiding light in the future.
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RecordSage 07-23-2007 12.06pm
I thought you'd stop with bloodlines going back hundreds of years to get some Irish in there, but you just can't... Gates working for Apple - this is lunacy beyond even being in a drunk state. That one statement qualifies you for... it's family show here, so I better not. But it did bring a little chuckle here... hopefully everyone else would read your stuff with the same level of amusement.
I'm sure there are lots of Irish who are to be respected for their wisdom, accomplishments and contributions... it's just amazing that you're in the same ethnic group... enough said...
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Amergin 07-23-2007 1.09pm
Thanks for the comments, very mature.
If you check it out you will find he did indeed work for Apple in his early days.
As for being drunk, again an old one and hardly an accurate one.
Would you like to ask me next what my pet leprechaun is called or how big my shilleagh is ?
As for the childish comments on my bloodlines, I am very proud of my heritage and history.
Well at least I didn't jump ship and run away.
At least I am a true Irishman,not a wannabe American.
You were born in the wrong country, it shows.
At least most of the true Americans I have spoken with have had manners and open minds.
Again I hope you have a nice blinkered life and if the American dream doesn't work out for y...
You were wrong on just about everything else, except for me being born in the wrong country and about continuing to smile. 2 out several dozen isn't great, but it's something.
I have zero problems with you being proud of your country, I have the same feelings about mine and as for 'jumping ship', nothing wrong with attempting to better one's life, kind of like huge numbers of Irish after the famine and at other times. So, you either blame those very same Irish Americans whom you just finished boasting about or.. be a hypocrite... take your pick. Me - I'll stick to America, being a very proud USA citizen and all for so many years.
I don't think we will agree on anything... and to the arguing with a closed mind - didn't expect any self-criticism from you, but since you offered...
And for the record, Gates never worked for Apple. If you're going to argue with someone, at least back your statements up with real facts, not invent them on the fly.
Amergin 7-23-2007 6.14pm
Thanks for the memories Man.
Sorry I took so long to reply had to wipe the tears from my eyes due to the uncontrolled laughter. You sound like a broken record.
Go n-eiri an bothar i t'aghaidh.
Is mise le meas,
Amergin.
No need to apologize. By broken record you mean that I continue to correct your errors, like calling WW1 "great war" in Europe... certainly not in the republics of the old USSR they didn't, which is a pretty large chunk of Europe. And no, I wasn't referring to T34 tanks, but Jeeps that US gave to Russia and that were used for a long time even after the war. And the credit for first real TV was given to another American... who was actually Russian by birth (here, educate yourself a bit). Perhaps you meant that it means I'm being consistent. Whatever you meant, keep laughing - there are many useful idiots out there who do just that.
Russian is a very colourful language, but I'll refrain from responding in it because I'm sure your level of comprehension of it is probably on par with my level of comprehension of the Irish language.
Cheers... or whatever they say in Ireland...
Amergin 7-24-2007 9.49am
Yeah we can believe everything on the Internet. I prefer more reputable and reliable sources,such as books. At least they are proof read before publishing, for legal reasons. There is no such legal requirement for a website.
Hell maybe you should set up The world according to Recordsage. Guaranteed hit with every dumb ass out there.
I suppose you don't read much, it is pretty obvious from your comments. Your education is rudimentary at best and it shows.
As for my comprehension of Russian, I know you are a Ilgun.
So again spajisibo for your time.
Mise Le Meas Amergin
Check out;
Reap what you sow.Terror History.
It might help you understand the country you live in a bit better.
RecordSage 7-27-2007 6.59pm
Well, you check out your history. Using your own logic - it'll help you to understand the country you live a bit better and if we should reap what we sow - sounds like you're to expect the very same.
Of course recently IRA did roll over. But then again, we in the US also have IRA rollover, used for totally different purpose (ours is a lot more peaceful and useful) but certainly spelled the same way.
P.S. Can't recall the Irishman who inspired me to come up with the comparison, but whoever did, I'm sure somewhere somehow was Irish... not doubt.
P.P.S. And since you seem to know Russian, here's how I'd describe you 'nedodelaniy chlen'.
Amergin 7-29-2007 7.36pm
Ah yes, the waffle continues.
Wikipedia to prove a point, ha ha ha ha.
As for the IRA rolling over as you call it. They succeeded in their initial objectives of bringing the British government to the negotiating table and now the community they represent share power in government.
Did Bush free Iraq yet ? What about rebuilding the country into a Democratic Society ?
But, lets be fair the surge is working.
The surge of bullshit more like.
As for an Irishman inspiring you,that was me.
No thanks necessary.
As for arguing with someone who looks and thinks like Junior Gorg from Fraggle Rock.
I really shouldn't be wasting my time.
And finally to reply to your Russian, I have a suggestion.
A kalorshnik of the truth like you, should Job tvojemadj.
And if that doesn't appeal to you, well go tell Babuschka Bush.
Amergin 7-29-2007 7.50pm
Don't bother replying.
I have decided to use the ignore option as you are beyond all hope.
You will never see the truth, even if it hit you in the face.
And when you decide to insult someone, try to put some imagination into it.
So as they say in my country,
Is Arastatail gaotaire / gealt thu.
Mise le Meas, Amergin.
As for music the blues was formed by an amalgamation of Irish traditional and Gospel music.
Thin Lizzy was the Inspiration of nearly all the major rock and metal groups in the states including Metallica. Rory Gallagher a gifted guitarist inspired Guns n' Roses, check out the song shotgun Blues. He also outplayed Jimi Hendrix at a gig.
As for the Beatles well they are all from Liverpool, which means they definitely have Irish Blood in them. As the majority of Liverpudlians are of Irish descent, dating back to early 1700's.
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Amergin 7-23-2007 10.16am
And then we have John Mc Cormack the greatest and most popular tenor of all time.
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10.18amAs for America being a melting pot of culture, well it has been done countless times before.
London has a base of over 300 languages spoken everyday on it's streets right now. Not even New York has that diversity.
10.24am
It's been a long long time since we had a king.
But as a small nation we certainly promote more peaceful endeavours, than any other country. We do what we can with what we have.
As for BS on an American computer, mine was made here in Ireland and the Computer was an English invention. As for software development we are way ahead, just because it is cheap and mass produced does not make it better.
10.29am
As for the two people who built Google, well their largest operation is here in Ireland
10.30am
As for the gangs of new York well we were the nice guys fighting against racist and fascist abuse.
10.32am
And Charles Babbage was an Irishman.
10.37am
And as for America being the forerunner of technology design,another misconception. The US space programme was developed by Nazi Scientists. All the Best Cars are made in Europe. The Television was invented by a Scot. The Satellite was conceived by an Englishman and built by the Russians. And the man who dragged the USA out of it's doldrums was Kennedy an Irish American.
10.43am
Did you ever learn Geography ?
it's THE country on the planet.
Well China is the rising star, along with India.
As for being progressive you are going backwards. The European Union will be the guiding light in the future.
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RecordSage 07-23-2007 12.06pm
I thought you'd stop with bloodlines going back hundreds of years to get some Irish in there, but you just can't... Gates working for Apple - this is lunacy beyond even being in a drunk state. That one statement qualifies you for... it's family show here, so I better not. But it did bring a little chuckle here... hopefully everyone else would read your stuff with the same level of amusement.
I'm sure there are lots of Irish who are to be respected for their wisdom, accomplishments and contributions... it's just amazing that you're in the same ethnic group... enough said...
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Amergin 07-23-2007 1.09pm
Thanks for the comments, very mature.
If you check it out you will find he did indeed work for Apple in his early days.
As for being drunk, again an old one and hardly an accurate one.
Would you like to ask me next what my pet leprechaun is called or how big my shilleagh is ?
As for the childish comments on my bloodlines, I am very proud of my heritage and history.
Well at least I didn't jump ship and run away.
At least I am a true Irishman,not a wannabe American.
You were born in the wrong country, it shows.
At least most of the true Americans I have spoken with have had manners and open minds.
Again I hope you have a nice blinkered life and if the American dream doesn't work out for y...
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RecordSage 07-23-2007 4.29pmYou were wrong on just about everything else, except for me being born in the wrong country and about continuing to smile. 2 out several dozen isn't great, but it's something.
I have zero problems with you being proud of your country, I have the same feelings about mine and as for 'jumping ship', nothing wrong with attempting to better one's life, kind of like huge numbers of Irish after the famine and at other times. So, you either blame those very same Irish Americans whom you just finished boasting about or.. be a hypocrite... take your pick. Me - I'll stick to America, being a very proud USA citizen and all for so many years.
I don't think we will agree on anything... and to the arguing with a closed mind - didn't expect any self-criticism from you, but since you offered...
And for the record, Gates never worked for Apple. If you're going to argue with someone, at least back your statements up with real facts, not invent them on the fly.
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Amergin 7-23-2007 6.14pm
Thanks for the memories Man.
Sorry I took so long to reply had to wipe the tears from my eyes due to the uncontrolled laughter. You sound like a broken record.
Go n-eiri an bothar i t'aghaidh.
Is mise le meas,
Amergin.
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RecordSage 7-23-2007 9.15pmNo need to apologize. By broken record you mean that I continue to correct your errors, like calling WW1 "great war" in Europe... certainly not in the republics of the old USSR they didn't, which is a pretty large chunk of Europe. And no, I wasn't referring to T34 tanks, but Jeeps that US gave to Russia and that were used for a long time even after the war. And the credit for first real TV was given to another American... who was actually Russian by birth (here, educate yourself a bit). Perhaps you meant that it means I'm being consistent. Whatever you meant, keep laughing - there are many useful idiots out there who do just that.
Russian is a very colourful language, but I'll refrain from responding in it because I'm sure your level of comprehension of it is probably on par with my level of comprehension of the Irish language.
Cheers... or whatever they say in Ireland...
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Amergin 7-24-2007 9.49am
Yeah we can believe everything on the Internet. I prefer more reputable and reliable sources,such as books. At least they are proof read before publishing, for legal reasons. There is no such legal requirement for a website.
Hell maybe you should set up The world according to Recordsage. Guaranteed hit with every dumb ass out there.
I suppose you don't read much, it is pretty obvious from your comments. Your education is rudimentary at best and it shows.
As for my comprehension of Russian, I know you are a Ilgun.
So again spajisibo for your time.
Mise Le Meas Amergin
9.04am
Check out;
Reap what you sow.Terror History.
It might help you understand the country you live in a bit better.
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RecordSage 7-27-2007 6.59pm
Well, you check out your history. Using your own logic - it'll help you to understand the country you live a bit better and if we should reap what we sow - sounds like you're to expect the very same.
Of course recently IRA did roll over. But then again, we in the US also have IRA rollover, used for totally different purpose (ours is a lot more peaceful and useful) but certainly spelled the same way.
P.S. Can't recall the Irishman who inspired me to come up with the comparison, but whoever did, I'm sure somewhere somehow was Irish... not doubt.
P.P.S. And since you seem to know Russian, here's how I'd describe you 'nedodelaniy chlen'.
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Amergin 7-29-2007 7.36pm
Ah yes, the waffle continues.
Wikipedia to prove a point, ha ha ha ha.
As for the IRA rolling over as you call it. They succeeded in their initial objectives of bringing the British government to the negotiating table and now the community they represent share power in government.
Did Bush free Iraq yet ? What about rebuilding the country into a Democratic Society ?
But, lets be fair the surge is working.
The surge of bullshit more like.
As for an Irishman inspiring you,that was me.
No thanks necessary.
As for arguing with someone who looks and thinks like Junior Gorg from Fraggle Rock.
I really shouldn't be wasting my time.
And finally to reply to your Russian, I have a suggestion.
A kalorshnik of the truth like you, should Job tvojemadj.
And if that doesn't appeal to you, well go tell Babuschka Bush.
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Amergin 7-29-2007 7.50pm
Don't bother replying.
I have decided to use the ignore option as you are beyond all hope.
You will never see the truth, even if it hit you in the face.
And when you decide to insult someone, try to put some imagination into it.
So as they say in my country,
Is Arastatail gaotaire / gealt thu.
Mise le Meas, Amergin.
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